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what's the One for the Money

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before the show

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you getting ready now go get going gives

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me great pleasure to be here tonight to

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induct Paul McCartney into the Rock and

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Roll Hall of Fame it's four decades now

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since the birth of The Beatles but the

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impact the fam 4 made on our culture is

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still as strong as ever a new generation

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of fans made the compilation of hits

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number one the fastest selling of all it

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is McCartney who tops the bill at the

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biggest benefit concerts a year is not

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allowed to pass without support picking

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up an award so I want to say to you all

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thank you very very much and uh this

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one's for you baby

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lose weight

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but despite all his Fame and all of his

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achievements the full extent of

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McCartney's contribution to our culture

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could well be actually underrated it's

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because the Specter of John Lennon is a

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hard one to shake off and there's a

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conventional way of looking at the

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Beatles Story that says John was the

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innovator Paul acute songsmith and

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there's bad blood between the two the

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truth is very different

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there was a timing you know timing is of

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the essence and people look at its own

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post-war the baby boom we were ready to

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show off our parents had all been a bit

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inhibited by the war it's going to

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inhibit you we didn't have any of that

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we'd had none of that shadow over us so

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we were like ready to rock

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as everyone knows the birth of The

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Beatles was in Liverpool but the real

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birth of The Beatles music was in

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hamburger

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Germany that the sound that singled them

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merseyside groups was created in the

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they were for instance in Hamburg with

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old prostitutes there all girls every

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night but was taking Credit in all these

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pills like amphetamines and things that

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was getting drunk all the time and

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rarely seeded from the seediest place

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probably in Europe the sandpali District

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of Hamburg

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the decision to go to Hamburg was taken

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by the man credited as giving away the

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Williams the move to Hamburg came about

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through the Jacaranda and I was managing

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The Beatles then so that's how the

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Beatles came to play in the basement we

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had no stage in the Jacaranda they just

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stood in the corner and next minute

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George came up and said can we borrow

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the brush and have you got a mop and so

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play and you know what they wanted them

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up in the Broomfield they hadn't even

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got mic stands and these girls were

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sitting there all night with the mics

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tied to the end of the broomstick and

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the mob that's how poor they were in

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and it was from Paul Paul made the

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initial approach and it was basically

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peace we've had the officer go to

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would you be interested we took the

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chance and we drove over to Hamburg we

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stopped at the famous War Cemetery in

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Arnhem and we had our photograph taken

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and it's on the Senate Office says their

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names liveth forevermore and this was

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the first time the lads had gone to

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an adventure it was a

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it was a complete change in life

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those three got the palatial Suite they

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light bulb the camp beds right Paul and

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I got the black hole to Calcutta you

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know which would really do I think there

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that um it was your first really

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young couple just look in and they'd

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they go out so I mean we started to know

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and so when they ducked in next time

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eight hours at a stretch holding their

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music and adjusting the power structure

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and the Poland would be playing so I

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realized then your days are numbered you

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know and it sure was a chance meeting

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with art student Klaus Foreman changed

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the beetle style but more importantly it

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completely different his own background

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and you just hear their music and the

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like nothing it was like dossing around

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or rockers or bikers the student he

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European really cool look so we started

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um become very enamored of them and the

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look and I think it had a big effect on

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us I know it had a big effect on us

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who's downstairs in the basement with a

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toilet woman and he's buying off her

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pepper pills like you know about the

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and they played all night and even the

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bosses came up hey why don't you take

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some of those and you feel much better

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with their Bohemian lifestyle and devil

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may care attitude it was only a matter

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of time before the Beatles ran into

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trouble with the Hamburg authorities

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McCartney and best were arrested for

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starting a small fire in their lodgings

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these you know German gorillas come

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and say you know McCartney and best bank

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School drag down the stairs all the way

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down the top 10. and you know

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mine and there was this look of horror

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Locking us away and no one will see a

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McCartney and best ever more like you

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the Hamburg episode was Central to The

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in Germany while the others came back

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Crown's reaction to the band at one

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seminal concert had the first

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flickerings of beetle Mania

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Dance Floor just moved basically down

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and then all of a sudden they were just

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like these screams from the girls in the

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audience you know

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hobby and now looked like becoming a

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career the Cameron's DJ Bob willack

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could tell that no one realized this

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he was determined his songs would emerge

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from it and indeed I was given a list of

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99 songs that they used to feature at

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the cavern and only about half a dozen

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of them were Beatles songs and most of

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them were by Paul McCartney

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now when Brian Epstein took them over he

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didn't want them to have all this

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leather gear or be rough what Epstein

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changing it from John Lennon's group

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into Paul McCartney's group and John

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Lennon always resented this when people

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were thinking oh oh I always preferred

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the Styles you know the Beatles were the

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Liverpool mop tops but rarely Lennon's

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group were a rough Rowdy bunch and they

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were great we all had the new jacket

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with little sort of collar and hats and

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the long overcoats and the things so we

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did we looked like a group it's actually

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something I'd seen years before at

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Butlins

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and I'd always thought God it's so cool

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that when you see

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four people dressed alike this it's like

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a uniform it's like the effect of seeing

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sort of

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Sailors have just got off a boat or

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something there's just something the

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camaraderie media that comes across

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after Hamburg The Beatles resume their

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local digging in Liverpool with

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inventions but this Spurt of recognition

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from their home fans Harvin McCann is

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resolved to get to the top even if it

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meant that not everyone would make the

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journey

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we had big breasts or drama uh for

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Hamburg and everything

303
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but when we went to do a record deal

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George Martin wasn't that impressed with

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Pete it was sad really you know but

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there were just little differences

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little subtle differences and we'd seen

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Ringo and we really admired Ringo we we

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actually thought ringer was the best

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drummer in Liverpool and then the first

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night we played with Durango just

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something clicked you know we're all

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like looking back and going we're all

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looking at each other go oh something's

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happening and it was you know it was

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like just that was the first little germ

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kicking in

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foreign

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Beatles went on to conquer the world

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McCartney though never forgot his roots

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the world's press enjoying the Liverpool

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actions but the marks left by merseyside

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and far deeper than that when we think

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of John and Paul as the two basic men of

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The Beatles were sort of right at the

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beginning and and people think of the

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aggressive John Lennon and the working

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class here and everything in fact it was

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Paul who had the sort of existence in

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the council Flats thing with moving from

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Council premises to council premises

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while a sort of John had this middle

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class upbringing nice place in their

334
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menlove Avenue with Garden front and

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back and a beautiful sort of suburban

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type setting it was really Paul it was

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the Working Class Hero not John you know

338
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an actual fact I think the other thing

339
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in truth you know that I think people

340
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forget is we weren't that well off so

341
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like anyone you wanted to make money so

342
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to us there was suddenly this other

343
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Escape because we weren't very good at

344
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football didn't want to go and see I

345
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didn't want to join the Army

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um

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so it became another Escape Route and a

348
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kind of glamorous one you know so we

349
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just thought we'll have a go at it

350
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Paul's mother had died when he was about

351
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14. now he's terribly vulnerable as

352
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anyone is at that age and Jim uh

353
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McCartney had to be a father and a

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mother to those two Lads that Paul and

355
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his younger brother

356
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it was therefore inevitable that in many

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people's minds The Beatles became

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another family for McCartney and in

359
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Lenin he found a soul mate with a common

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Bond

361
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it was 1956 and it was the Wilton fate

362
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and John was playing as the quarryman

363
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Quarrymen from his school Corey Bank

364
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but that was the day that Paul

365
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turned up first of all I met John at the

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Village feed and I thought he was a bit

367
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of a slob he was a you know boozy breath

368
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yeah you're all right I thought oh yeah

369
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oh dear you know he's a bit

370
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not very cool but um I like this music

371
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and I liked his attitude and stuff so I

372
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got to like him and I always looked at

373
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him I think Paul was sort of taken with

374
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John and overall by him at the same time

375
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and in fact he's since said that but he

376
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didn't know if he could keep up with

377
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this fellow

378
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when they practiced they practiced in

379
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whichever house would have them at the

380
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time so it was either our house or

381
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Mimi's house or false Lynn Road which

382
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was Paul's house whoever wasn't in

383
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or whichever bathroom was empty

384
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and

385
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um my mother

386
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died in 1958

387
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and one of the things that when Paul was

388
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coming that she was sad about was that

389
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Paul had lost his mother and I remember

390
00:16:20,820 --> 00:16:26,040
her saying how sad how sad that Poor

391
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Boy's lost his mother how awful and he

392
00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:30,899
act with us a lot

393
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and it was just total irony that she

394
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died herself the next year

395
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they had the common bond in losing their

396
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mothers very much

397
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Lennon and McCartney's closeness was

398
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echoed in everything they did in the

399
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early days of The Beatles Global success

400
00:16:43,799 --> 00:16:50,399
they proved an Unstoppable double Act

401
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we really were each other's support all

402
00:16:50,399 --> 00:16:54,720
the way through the Beatles career

403
00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,339
um I always say we were we were the four

404
00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,199
corners of a square

405
00:16:56,339 --> 00:17:01,680
and you need you know without one of

406
00:16:58,198 --> 00:17:04,500
those Corners it collapses and we were

407
00:17:01,679 --> 00:17:06,599
really for good Corners like you said

408
00:17:04,500 --> 00:17:08,578
earlier you couldn't have hoped for for

409
00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:10,139
better Corners you know more would help

410
00:17:08,578 --> 00:17:13,338
for more support

411
00:17:10,140 --> 00:17:14,900
in every way you know sort of morally

412
00:17:13,338 --> 00:17:17,519
artistically

413
00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:20,059
lovingly there was a lot of everything

414
00:17:17,519 --> 00:17:23,160
in in that square you know

415
00:17:20,058 --> 00:17:25,019
first it was Liverpool then England and

416
00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,779
then the world as the Beatles took

417
00:17:25,019 --> 00:17:30,298
America by storm for Paul it was the

418
00:17:27,779 --> 00:17:32,700
realization of a dream

419
00:17:30,298 --> 00:17:35,519
yeah it was the big one you know America

420
00:17:32,700 --> 00:17:37,319
I was it was the place we were in awe of

421
00:17:35,519 --> 00:17:39,240
and I think it's a place

422
00:17:37,319 --> 00:17:41,038
most people are still in order of the

423
00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,200
event that transformed The Beatles into

424
00:17:41,038 --> 00:17:44,879
the planet's first world Superstars was

425
00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:47,160
an historic appearance on the Ed

426
00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,299
Sullivan Show it was really big it was

427
00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,460
the biggest biggest thing we'd ever done

428
00:17:48,298 --> 00:17:52,200
it was nerve-wracking kind of thing

429
00:17:50,460 --> 00:17:54,058
although looking at it it doesn't look

430
00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,679
like we're at least a bit nervous my dad

431
00:17:54,058 --> 00:17:57,839
always used to say that I said come we

432
00:17:55,679 --> 00:17:59,400
did this TV so we're so nervous he said

433
00:17:57,839 --> 00:18:01,439
I couldn't tell you know I could never

434
00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,720
tell and I'm looking at it now I see

435
00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:06,058
what he meant but we were pretty nervous

436
00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,919
especially when the floor manager came

437
00:18:06,058 --> 00:18:09,839
up just before we went off before the

438
00:18:07,919 --> 00:18:11,160
curtains opened because it's like a live

439
00:18:09,839 --> 00:18:12,720
show

440
00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,000
um and he said

441
00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,558
there's 70 million people watching or

442
00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,019
something I I'm not even sure if you

443
00:18:16,558 --> 00:18:20,399
knew it was 7073 in the end but he said

444
00:18:19,019 --> 00:18:23,839
something like there's 20 million people

445
00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,840
watching you good luck guys

446
00:18:25,500 --> 00:18:29,160
um but we held it together you know we'd

447
00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,500
had enough practice Hamburg we've done

448
00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:34,019
enough gigs we knew we couldn't blow it

449
00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:37,619
I mean this is one time we couldn't blow

450
00:18:34,019 --> 00:18:40,500
it and I had to sing yesterday solo with

451
00:18:37,619 --> 00:18:42,058
a string quarter you know but we did it

452
00:18:40,500 --> 00:18:44,038
we just held it together those big

453
00:18:42,058 --> 00:18:45,538
occasions we kind of rose to and then

454
00:18:44,038 --> 00:18:47,519
afterwards people started saying you

455
00:18:45,538 --> 00:18:49,619
know do you know how many people watched

456
00:18:47,519 --> 00:18:53,298
that and it's got some sort of record I

457
00:18:49,619 --> 00:18:53,298
think I still I think it still held

458
00:18:53,419 --> 00:18:58,140
Liverpool was too small by now for the

459
00:18:55,980 --> 00:18:59,759
Beatles And so they moved to London the

460
00:18:58,140 --> 00:19:02,220
city gave the group the platform they

461
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needed to fulfill their potential and it

462
00:19:02,220 --> 00:19:08,160
also gave Paul McCartney a new Arena to

463
00:19:04,798 --> 00:19:12,359
explore his growing artistic awareness

464
00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:14,220
Paul he preferred to mix in with the

465
00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,619
fact that Jane Asher had which was more

466
00:19:14,220 --> 00:19:19,860
the kind of legitimate theater crowd the

467
00:19:16,619 --> 00:19:21,599
fashionable people he enjoyed theatrical

468
00:19:19,859 --> 00:19:24,899
first nights or theatrical parties

469
00:19:21,599 --> 00:19:26,939
mixing with artists in fact not not of

470
00:19:24,900 --> 00:19:31,080
the theater but artist artists he really

471
00:19:26,940 --> 00:19:32,940
wanted to know a wider range of things

472
00:19:31,079 --> 00:19:35,699
about the Arts

473
00:19:32,940 --> 00:19:37,798
John was a tear away in an avant-garde

474
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person but in a way he was kind of

475
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educated into it by Paul

476
00:19:39,839 --> 00:19:44,399
because in the early days you know when

477
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John was married to sin

478
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,298
uh he was fixed up with a very nice

479
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house in weybridge and stockbroker belt

480
00:19:48,298 --> 00:19:52,079
he used to go home to the wife

481
00:19:50,519 --> 00:19:55,200
you know and it was a fairly

482
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conventional existence while Paul was

483
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staying in town

484
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and went to live with a family the Asher

485
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family in wimpole Street and he was at

486
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the center of London London art

487
00:20:04,859 --> 00:20:09,899
coming back to London it was in full

488
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:12,019
swing and all the artists were there and

489
00:20:09,900 --> 00:20:14,519
if you as you say I lived with the ashes

490
00:20:12,019 --> 00:20:17,639
and those was a really nice free

491
00:20:14,519 --> 00:20:20,339
household very intelligent people kind

492
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,500
of quite upper class for me

493
00:20:20,339 --> 00:20:24,599
um but I loved it I loved to you know

494
00:20:22,500 --> 00:20:26,519
the way they'd like play games at dinner

495
00:20:24,599 --> 00:20:29,099
it was all very intelligent you know so

496
00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:31,079
you had to really I just loved it but I

497
00:20:29,099 --> 00:20:34,678
do you know it seemed really cool for me

498
00:20:31,079 --> 00:20:38,399
and they had very organized lives it was

499
00:20:34,679 --> 00:20:40,259
very sort of sophisticated lives uh you

500
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,000
know James an actress so she'd be off in

501
00:20:40,259 --> 00:20:43,440
the morning doing a go see her agent

502
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:46,740
doing a lunch with someone in an

503
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audition or rehearsals and all that her

504
00:20:46,740 --> 00:20:50,160
dad was a doctor

505
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so he'd be seeing patients or going to

506
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the hospital so and so on so mum was an

507
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oboe teacher so she'd be

508
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teaching or doing this that and the

509
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other they had packed days I'd never

510
00:20:58,859 --> 00:21:04,019
known anyone who started at eight and

511
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,400
like finished at like nine and they just

512
00:21:04,019 --> 00:21:09,019
knew what they were going to do all the

513
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:11,280
time so it was good for me I kind of

514
00:21:09,019 --> 00:21:13,440
helped me organize get a bit of a

515
00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:15,660
structure I imagine our household may

516
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,640
have been somewhat different from his I

517
00:21:15,660 --> 00:21:19,558
mean it it may be too easy to emphasize

518
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,299
what cultural differences I mean I

519
00:21:19,558 --> 00:21:22,259
suppose at the time that far back they

520
00:21:21,298 --> 00:21:23,339
would have been perceived as class

521
00:21:22,259 --> 00:21:25,259
differences that you don't say that

522
00:21:23,339 --> 00:21:27,899
anymore now at that time the rock and

523
00:21:25,259 --> 00:21:29,879
roll scene and the and the avant-garde

524
00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:31,740
scene I think got somewhat fascinated

525
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,179
with each other

526
00:21:31,740 --> 00:21:34,500
um everyone was fascinated by The

527
00:21:33,179 --> 00:21:36,480
Beatles of course because they were so

528
00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:37,558
infinitely talented and glamorous and

529
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,700
you know there was nobody who didn't

530
00:21:37,558 --> 00:21:40,500
want to meet the Beatles that's what

531
00:21:38,700 --> 00:21:42,538
made it all so interesting that from the

532
00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:44,159
royal family to the most avant-garde

533
00:21:42,538 --> 00:21:45,359
American Artist everybody wanted to meet

534
00:21:44,159 --> 00:21:47,580
them

535
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:50,038
um but I think that the two Wells did

536
00:21:47,579 --> 00:21:51,058
did interweave to some extent and Paul I

537
00:21:50,038 --> 00:21:52,919
think more than any of the other Beatles

538
00:21:51,058 --> 00:21:55,079
was particularly interested in those

539
00:21:52,919 --> 00:21:56,820
aspects of things he took aboard some of

540
00:21:55,079 --> 00:21:59,279
the ideas that he got from Reading

541
00:21:56,819 --> 00:22:00,899
William Burroughs and stuff and or from

542
00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:02,519
listening to avalgarde music or being

543
00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:04,019
mad aware of stockhausen and stuff which

544
00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:05,519
he was

545
00:22:04,019 --> 00:22:06,599
um I think he took some of those ideas

546
00:22:05,519 --> 00:22:08,220
on board and some of the more

547
00:22:06,599 --> 00:22:10,558
avant-garde aspects of The Beatles music

548
00:22:08,220 --> 00:22:12,900
clearly stemmed from some from some of

549
00:22:10,558 --> 00:22:16,619
that with Jane I was then exposed to the

550
00:22:12,900 --> 00:22:18,780
National Theater and you know with other

551
00:22:16,619 --> 00:22:20,939
mates of mine outside of that family

552
00:22:18,779 --> 00:22:22,879
then I started to go to art galleries

553
00:22:20,940 --> 00:22:26,880
which are all there in London

554
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:29,400
and develop friendships with artists of

555
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:32,280
all kinds music painting

556
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:35,880
kinetic art all sorts of things writers

557
00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:39,359
poets I think Paul McCartney was always

558
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:42,419
wanting to stretch himself always

559
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,740
wanting to widen the horizons he was he

560
00:22:42,419 --> 00:22:46,799
was the one who was always coming up

561
00:22:43,740 --> 00:22:48,419
with ideas and Concepts every time there

562
00:22:46,798 --> 00:22:50,279
was an album to be done he'd be

563
00:22:48,419 --> 00:22:52,080
sketching and trying to do what the

564
00:22:50,279 --> 00:22:54,058
album covers would be like and this and

565
00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:56,639
that he was the very first one to get

566
00:22:54,058 --> 00:22:58,259
involved in avant-garde films and he

567
00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:01,020
made a couple he even got the director

568
00:22:58,259 --> 00:23:03,179
Antonio to have a look at his films and

569
00:23:01,019 --> 00:23:05,579
things but he was into all that when he

570
00:23:03,179 --> 00:23:08,420
encouraged the Indica Bookshop he even

571
00:23:05,579 --> 00:23:11,960
designed their paper

572
00:23:08,420 --> 00:23:15,980
[Music]

573
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:18,480
I'm definitely inspired by like a

574
00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:20,339
like that sort of feeling I want to hold

575
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,759
your hand and she loves you it's right

576
00:23:20,339 --> 00:23:25,798
in that area and uh they did definitely

577
00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:26,879
influence my songwriting right away we

578
00:23:25,798 --> 00:23:28,619
went to seeing Hard Day's Night

579
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,120
initially because we were mad about the

580
00:23:28,619 --> 00:23:33,058
Beatles at that point we were just

581
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:35,579
totally in love with the sound and I was

582
00:23:33,058 --> 00:23:37,678
hearing folk music chord changes in the

583
00:23:35,579 --> 00:23:40,859
in the songs and I was going this is

584
00:23:37,679 --> 00:23:42,120
great stuff I love this and um some of

585
00:23:40,859 --> 00:23:43,500
the other folk singers I knew weren't

586
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,359
getting it they were going ah that you

587
00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:46,798
know it's a bubble gum rock and roll

588
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,418
stuff and I was going no no there's

589
00:23:46,798 --> 00:23:50,158
something here there's something really

590
00:23:48,419 --> 00:23:52,559
good here you know this is this is some

591
00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:54,240
real music and I started taking it apart

592
00:23:52,558 --> 00:23:56,158
for them saying like look they're fourth

593
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,900
and fifth harmonies you know and the

594
00:23:56,159 --> 00:24:00,539
chord changes listen to these passing

595
00:23:57,900 --> 00:24:02,519
chords like they're doing like

596
00:24:00,538 --> 00:24:03,900
really cool passing course I said no

597
00:24:02,519 --> 00:24:05,400
this is really good stuff and and

598
00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:06,600
gradually some of them got it you know

599
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,759
and then I went out to the West Coast

600
00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:09,449
and we got the birds together based

601
00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:11,460
around it

602
00:24:09,450 --> 00:24:14,630
[Music]

603
00:24:11,460 --> 00:24:14,630
[Applause]

604
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,500
the influence on the west coast went

605
00:24:17,220 --> 00:24:21,419
full circle Tomorrow Never Knows His

606
00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:23,880
held up as being a classic example of

607
00:24:21,419 --> 00:24:26,400
Lenin's experimentation but its most

608
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:29,240
distinctive sound the tape Loops are all

609
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:33,480
macarthurs

610
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:36,240
it was John's song that he'd done after

611
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:39,120
having read Timothy Leary's

612
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,679
take on Tibetan Book of the Dead and so

613
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,979
it's very far out you know it was very

614
00:24:40,679 --> 00:24:46,080
poetic very ancient and trippy I did

615
00:24:43,980 --> 00:24:48,419
suggest that for the solo because the

616
00:24:46,079 --> 00:24:50,099
song was so trippy that we tried this

617
00:24:48,419 --> 00:24:51,900
tape Loop thing I'd been experimenting

618
00:24:50,099 --> 00:24:54,058
so I'd be listening to a lot of radio

619
00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:55,679
going to a lot of weird concerts not

620
00:24:54,058 --> 00:24:59,279
weird actually but it could be said to

621
00:24:55,679 --> 00:25:02,159
be weird of um Luciano Barrio people

622
00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:04,500
like this electronic music Tomorrow

623
00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:07,260
Never Knows I brought plastic bag full

624
00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:10,079
in of these loops and then we made some

625
00:25:07,259 --> 00:25:11,879
up in the studio and had them all on

626
00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:13,918
machines we got machines from all the

627
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,320
other Studios borrowed them all fed them

628
00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:17,940
all through the desk and then just mixed

629
00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:20,279
them like a modern remix

630
00:25:17,940 --> 00:25:21,240
you know just brought the phases and cut

631
00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:24,658
them out and

632
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:27,500
so it's it was a different sound in Solo

633
00:25:24,659 --> 00:25:30,120
it's a suit of the song You Know

634
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:32,519
Paul's induction into San Francisco live

635
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,678
left a marked effect more than Lennon

636
00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:37,019
McCartney embraced the idea of the

637
00:25:34,679 --> 00:25:39,600
alternative culture hanging out and hit

638
00:25:37,019 --> 00:25:42,240
Ashbury dropping acid and jamming with

639
00:25:39,599 --> 00:25:45,418
the Jefferson Airplane he was just doing

640
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,558
his thing trying to expand down and like

641
00:25:45,419 --> 00:25:48,360
everybody else had heard of San

642
00:25:46,558 --> 00:25:50,519
Francisco which was blossoming and

643
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,859
blooming at that time with all the stuff

644
00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:55,139
that uh probably later turned up on

645
00:25:52,859 --> 00:25:56,879
Sergeant Pepper in its own way and I

646
00:25:55,140 --> 00:25:58,799
think McCartney as mellow as his

647
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:02,159
reputation may be uh was an

648
00:25:58,798 --> 00:26:05,759
extraordinary Communicator with music

649
00:26:02,159 --> 00:26:07,980
and made emotional moments that that if

650
00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:10,319
that related and reflected maybe more

651
00:26:07,980 --> 00:26:12,240
importantly all of our Lives they made

652
00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:14,519
rock and roll art

653
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,798
they made it really high art and they

654
00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:19,079
were the ones who opened it up and took

655
00:26:16,798 --> 00:26:21,658
us to this next level and there have

656
00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:24,298
been very few people who even come close

657
00:26:21,659 --> 00:26:25,980
to what they achieved and in the short

658
00:26:24,298 --> 00:26:27,900
period of time that they recorded and

659
00:26:25,980 --> 00:26:30,778
worked the the body of work that they

660
00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:31,679
created is the most important body of

661
00:26:30,778 --> 00:26:34,380
work

662
00:26:31,679 --> 00:26:38,159
that's been created in the 20th century

663
00:26:34,380 --> 00:26:39,840
for popular culture and we'll be here

664
00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:40,360
for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds

665
00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:43,038
of years

666
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,240
[Music]

667
00:26:43,038 --> 00:26:47,460
McCartney's craziest collaboration was

668
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,159
with Brian Wilson Paul had always

669
00:26:47,460 --> 00:26:51,900
admired The Beach Boys when they met he

670
00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:54,299
discovered Brian was now playing piano

671
00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:55,860
in a sand pit and filling the studio

672
00:26:54,298 --> 00:26:57,960
with vegetables

673
00:26:55,859 --> 00:27:01,918
he came in with Derek Taylor to a studio

674
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:03,778
that we were in one night in 1967.

675
00:27:01,919 --> 00:27:06,299
and uh

676
00:27:03,778 --> 00:27:08,819
it was on that night that he played for

677
00:27:06,298 --> 00:27:10,500
my wife and I she's leaving home my wife

678
00:27:08,819 --> 00:27:13,319
cried and everything was much of Tears

679
00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:16,200
you know but he when he walked in he had

680
00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:18,599
this beautiful patent leather shoes red

681
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,700
patent leather shoes in a white suit he

682
00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:21,899
looks so cool you know and we said you

683
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:23,400
want some vegetables we were cutting a

684
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:24,720
song called vegetables we were all

685
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,519
chewing on vegetables just to get the

686
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,500
mood and he did and he started chewing

687
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:29,759
on a carrot

688
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:31,919
vegetables

689
00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:33,839
I don't know man I don't know it might

690
00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:36,000
have been substances involved it might

691
00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:38,038
have happened I don't know

692
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,019
um I don't remember it all I must say

693
00:27:38,038 --> 00:27:41,519
particularly some of those dark nights

694
00:27:40,019 --> 00:27:43,500
in La

695
00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:46,440
um you know you just sometimes fall out

696
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:49,500
of a car into a room it would be very

697
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:52,380
dark and I'm not sure if I remember it I

698
00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:54,419
did visit a couple of their sessions but

699
00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:56,880
I don't remember eating vegetables I'm

700
00:27:54,419 --> 00:27:59,100
sure I might have Melodies do I like his

701
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,140
Melodies yeah I love his Melodies are

702
00:27:59,099 --> 00:28:03,000
you kidding I think he was versatile I

703
00:28:01,140 --> 00:28:05,460
think he would start out one day he

704
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:08,038
might go and say yeah I like that then

705
00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:09,480
the next thing I go I think what he does

706
00:28:08,038 --> 00:28:11,220
is he threw a whole bunch of different

707
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,360
kinds of songs at you and we're supposed

708
00:28:11,220 --> 00:28:14,179
to figure out where they're all coming

709
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,639
from you know I mean he was very very

710
00:28:14,179 --> 00:28:20,100
versatile as a singer and a songwriter

711
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,320
I think they were all

712
00:28:20,099 --> 00:28:24,298
um incredibly inquisitive about what

713
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:27,000
could be done they were always coming to

714
00:28:24,298 --> 00:28:29,158
me Paul in particular saying what new

715
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,599
sounds going to give us what instruments

716
00:28:29,159 --> 00:28:34,020
don't we know about

717
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:36,658
and of course he'd heard something over

718
00:28:34,019 --> 00:28:39,179
on a television show I think he'd seen

719
00:28:36,659 --> 00:28:40,860
or maybe a radio I can't remember it was

720
00:28:39,179 --> 00:28:43,080
a Brandenburg Concerto and he'd heard

721
00:28:40,859 --> 00:28:45,298
this very high trumpet sound which Bach

722
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:48,480
used about bark trumpet

723
00:28:45,298 --> 00:28:50,278
and he came to me and said great sound

724
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,980
okay could we use it

725
00:28:50,278 --> 00:28:56,359
yeah sure you can if you want to

726
00:28:52,980 --> 00:28:56,360
and that led to pennile

727
00:28:58,460 --> 00:29:03,240
1966 The Beatles decided to give up

728
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:06,000
touring the Candlestick Park in

729
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,558
California was their last ever show

730
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,740
McCartney decided that something was

731
00:29:07,558 --> 00:29:12,899
needed to fill that void

732
00:29:09,740 --> 00:29:15,538
and we've got federal return we were

733
00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:17,159
losing our music and we were getting

734
00:29:15,538 --> 00:29:21,359
more and more Fame but we were losing

735
00:29:17,159 --> 00:29:25,080
our souls really and after a famous

736
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:26,699
thing in America we'd all got really

737
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:29,339
pissed off

738
00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:31,259
um we just quietly said to ourselves you

739
00:29:29,339 --> 00:29:32,879
know we're not we want to won't tell

740
00:29:31,259 --> 00:29:35,220
anyone but we'll let's get in the studio

741
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,740
we'll make a record we'll send that out

742
00:29:35,220 --> 00:29:39,899
it'd be the same people will be able to

743
00:29:37,740 --> 00:29:42,419
hear what we're up to

744
00:29:39,898 --> 00:29:45,178
um so Sergeant Pepper became that it's

745
00:29:42,419 --> 00:29:46,030
like our message it was our you know our

746
00:29:45,179 --> 00:29:46,410
postcard

747
00:29:46,029 --> 00:29:52,910
[Applause]

748
00:29:46,410 --> 00:29:55,340
[Music]

749
00:29:52,910 --> 00:29:58,380
[Applause]

750
00:29:55,339 --> 00:30:00,119
he had been setting up this idea for

751
00:29:58,380 --> 00:30:03,960
Magical yesterday which was going to be

752
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:07,139
a family ahead of its time Progressive

753
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,720
comedy film zany comedy film a kind of

754
00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:11,759
an update on the goons or whatever and

755
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,620
it was mostly Paul's idea Paul had

756
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:16,980
planned it all out and just as all of

757
00:30:13,619 --> 00:30:20,658
this was coming towards fruition Brian

758
00:30:16,980 --> 00:30:24,179
Epstein died at the end of August in

759
00:30:20,659 --> 00:30:27,179
1967. we certainly didn't have a manager

760
00:30:24,179 --> 00:30:29,399
with the death of Brian Epstein and

761
00:30:27,179 --> 00:30:31,740
Brian was a father figure

762
00:30:29,398 --> 00:30:34,439
there was that security behind us when

763
00:30:31,740 --> 00:30:37,319
he died there was an insecurity there

764
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:40,500
big hole and so we started talking about

765
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:42,839
getting Mr X giant film and we wanted

766
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:44,819
like a manager or a business manager or

767
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:46,619
someone who could take care of that and

768
00:30:44,819 --> 00:30:47,720
in the end we thought no we better do it

769
00:30:46,619 --> 00:30:52,558
ourselves

770
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:55,140
within days Paul was fully into the

771
00:30:52,558 --> 00:30:56,940
um organizing of the shooting of budget

772
00:30:55,140 --> 00:30:58,679
mystery 2. a lot of people thought that

773
00:30:56,940 --> 00:31:01,740
this was him being rather callous

774
00:30:58,679 --> 00:31:03,480
scarcely waiting for Brian's funeral

775
00:31:01,740 --> 00:31:07,558
before Gathering The Beatles together

776
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:10,259
for this in fact he had quite serious

777
00:31:07,558 --> 00:31:12,720
motives for doing so on the one hand he

778
00:31:10,259 --> 00:31:15,298
genuinely feared that if he didn't kind

779
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:18,200
of put them to work very quickly that

780
00:31:15,298 --> 00:31:21,298
they might never work again as a a band

781
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:23,880
making it was great it was in this sort

782
00:31:21,298 --> 00:31:27,538
of artistic let's see if we can make a

783
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:30,840
film thing we literally just uh sat

784
00:31:27,538 --> 00:31:32,640
around talked a few things Drew I always

785
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:35,819
used to draw a circle and divide it up

786
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:38,038
and put bits here and move them around

787
00:31:35,819 --> 00:31:39,839
Magical Mystery Tour was very much a

788
00:31:38,038 --> 00:31:42,480
pull uh

789
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:44,639
Enterprise right you know he called me

790
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:47,519
up and he said I've got an idea I want

791
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,980
to make a film and he'd do this cake on

792
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:51,960
a piece of paper you know he's made and

793
00:31:49,980 --> 00:31:54,659
he said right that one can be sold so

794
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,278
that one can be sworn so that one can be

795
00:31:54,659 --> 00:32:00,080
so and so and we're going to have a

796
00:31:56,278 --> 00:32:02,579
genome old days pensioners on the coach

797
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:04,500
uh some underprivileged children

798
00:32:02,579 --> 00:32:06,720
possibly with their mums and dads he

799
00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:09,898
said well we'll make it a genuine coach

800
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:12,058
trip we just got a bus which was the

801
00:32:09,898 --> 00:32:14,819
magical Mysterio bus got it painted and

802
00:32:12,058 --> 00:32:17,099
just set off and just said okay and I

803
00:32:14,819 --> 00:32:18,599
would have meetings in the evening it

804
00:32:17,099 --> 00:32:20,339
was kind of my responsibility really

805
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:22,859
because I was very much into doing that

806
00:32:20,339 --> 00:32:24,599
and I so I just took the responsibility

807
00:32:22,859 --> 00:32:27,000
I'd have meetings in the evening with

808
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:28,500
the camera guys so say okay now what did

809
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,720
you think you got today well we got some

810
00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:32,579
great shots okay tomorrow let's do this

811
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,179
and we'll try and do this

812
00:32:32,579 --> 00:32:35,398
um

813
00:32:33,179 --> 00:32:38,460
and we just made it up as we went along

814
00:32:35,398 --> 00:32:41,099
which you know it looks like but it has

815
00:32:38,460 --> 00:32:42,179
great freedom and what I like now is

816
00:32:41,099 --> 00:32:45,119
that like you said there is a

817
00:32:42,179 --> 00:32:47,640
re-evaluation it's it's okay now and

818
00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:49,439
people like Spielberg were looking at it

819
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,960
in film School

820
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:54,538
so you know I like to think that that it

821
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,579
was it was there and it showed you how

822
00:32:54,538 --> 00:32:58,079
free you could be it didn't necessarily

823
00:32:56,579 --> 00:33:00,778
necessarily show you how to make a good

824
00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:04,939
film but it showed you you could be free

825
00:33:00,778 --> 00:33:04,940
I think that's a big part of you

826
00:33:06,898 --> 00:33:09,500
foreign

827
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,798
God influences on Magical Mystery Tour

828
00:33:17,460 --> 00:33:22,319
The Beatles became our Pathfinders in

829
00:33:19,798 --> 00:33:24,720
other ways during the 60s Paul became

830
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:26,460
something of a cultural Magpie picking

831
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,720
and mixing from the rich offerings that

832
00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:29,640
surrounded him

833
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,440
no Adventure captured the media's

834
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,538
attention more than his brush with

835
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,058
Transcendental Meditation and the

836
00:33:33,538 --> 00:33:38,038
so-called giggling Guru the marui

837
00:33:36,058 --> 00:33:40,678
shiyoki

838
00:33:38,038 --> 00:33:42,359
so we went off we first of all went off

839
00:33:40,679 --> 00:33:45,179
to Bangor and Wales where he had a

840
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:48,119
little study of course and then we

841
00:33:45,179 --> 00:33:49,919
eventually went off to rishikesh and the

842
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:51,538
Himalayas foothills of the Himalayas

843
00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:53,038
when I arrived there

844
00:33:51,538 --> 00:33:56,519
I found that we'd all brought our

845
00:33:53,038 --> 00:33:58,140
guitars and that we needed a break Ringo

846
00:33:56,519 --> 00:34:00,659
had some tablets brought in George

847
00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:02,820
brought in some Indian instruments and

848
00:34:00,659 --> 00:34:07,440
we'd spend most of the evenings sitting

849
00:34:02,819 --> 00:34:09,000
around this became two sets of songs I

850
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,858
wrote heard a dirty man album and they

851
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,358
wrote The White Album this song

852
00:34:10,858 --> 00:34:14,819
Blackbird may have come out of the

853
00:34:12,358 --> 00:34:18,059
finger styles that we were all playing

854
00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:20,700
and I was teaching John in Paul

855
00:34:18,059 --> 00:34:23,398
the song seemed to come out

856
00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:24,898
with a wistful longing around that

857
00:34:23,398 --> 00:34:27,418
period because we were in this very

858
00:34:24,898 --> 00:34:30,418
artistic environment meeting various

859
00:34:27,418 --> 00:34:32,819
people drugs came in you know first of

860
00:34:30,418 --> 00:34:34,918
all pot really and

861
00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:37,859
um we'd never done anything like that we

862
00:34:34,918 --> 00:34:40,378
were just you know Northern drinkers but

863
00:34:37,858 --> 00:34:42,719
um various friends of ours were into

864
00:34:40,378 --> 00:34:44,699
this and that you know so because we

865
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,678
liked the friends so much and we kind of

866
00:34:44,699 --> 00:34:49,378
trusted them we thought well it can't be

867
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:52,079
that bad or whatever you know we we got

868
00:34:49,378 --> 00:34:55,500
into it and um

869
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:57,480
it was it was liberating and it was a

870
00:34:55,500 --> 00:35:00,780
movement anyway it was like you know

871
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,280
Vietnam was going on so so many of our

872
00:35:00,780 --> 00:35:04,320
friends were American and were getting

873
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,420
killed out there so the the peace

874
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,740
movement was big at the time because it

875
00:35:06,420 --> 00:35:10,800
was a real

876
00:35:07,739 --> 00:35:12,358
immediate need for it so it was all that

877
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,400
kind of thing and it all mixed in with

878
00:35:12,358 --> 00:35:18,358
the whole culture they changed the

879
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:21,119
culture it just became something else

880
00:35:18,358 --> 00:35:22,920
um and we readily took part in it and

881
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:24,210
enjoyed it you know it was good for our

882
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,740
Music

883
00:35:24,210 --> 00:35:31,679
[Music]

884
00:35:27,739 --> 00:35:34,739
in 1969 another major influence on Paul

885
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:37,139
became evident came from left field and

886
00:35:34,739 --> 00:35:39,000
a liberal Highly Educated background the

887
00:35:37,139 --> 00:35:42,719
Eastman family

888
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,820
it was a relationship which in its early

889
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:49,259
stages

890
00:35:44,820 --> 00:35:51,380
we had seen all a number of short-term

891
00:35:49,260 --> 00:35:55,339
relationships

892
00:35:51,380 --> 00:35:59,880
during and immediately after he's long

893
00:35:55,338 --> 00:36:02,519
and unfair with no Jane Russia but Lindy

894
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:06,358
Smith wasn't seen as being his long-term

895
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:08,759
partner at all I mean he actually proved

896
00:36:06,358 --> 00:36:10,440
to us all that we were the ones that

897
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,400
were wrong and she was right for him and

898
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,400
he was right for her

899
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,440
oh what's it feel like we married at

900
00:36:17,579 --> 00:36:20,519
last it feels fine thank you what are

901
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,338
you gonna do now is it going to change

902
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:25,980
your life much do you think I don't know

903
00:36:23,338 --> 00:36:27,480
really I've never been married before

904
00:36:25,980 --> 00:36:28,740
wedding was about an hour late starting

905
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,780
we've all got a bit worried what

906
00:36:28,739 --> 00:36:33,358
happened we were waiting for my brother

907
00:36:30,780 --> 00:36:35,880
who was going to be best man like

908
00:36:33,358 --> 00:36:37,199
and uh he was on British Railways so

909
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,760
he's a bit delayed because of the

910
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:40,098
weather and stuff not a very nice day

911
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,660
for you getting away for a honeymoon

912
00:36:40,099 --> 00:36:45,119
maybe we haven't talked about it yet you

913
00:36:42,659 --> 00:36:46,319
know it's just uh it's you know we

914
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:49,680
haven't really made any plans for

915
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:53,220
Hollywood I think we will in a few days

916
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:54,799
McCartney congratulations what does it

917
00:36:53,219 --> 00:36:58,879
feel like

918
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,880
one of the most eligible eventually

919
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:05,219
it feels great to be married

920
00:37:02,219 --> 00:37:07,078
[Music]

921
00:37:05,219 --> 00:37:08,879
Linda and I used to say our greatest

922
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:11,280
achievement was our children you know

923
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:14,160
and looking at our other achievements as

924
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,780
quite a strong statement we felt we

925
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:16,920
wanted them to have their feet on the

926
00:37:15,780 --> 00:37:19,859
ground

927
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:23,400
so that they wouldn't be sort of spoiled

928
00:37:19,858 --> 00:37:25,920
rich kids so we did work at it a lot

929
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,599
Linda took Paul to New York they lived

930
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,059
in a small apartment on the Upper East

931
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:32,220
Side the city became Paul's second home

932
00:37:30,059 --> 00:37:34,320
and he was introduced to the Eastman's

933
00:37:32,219 --> 00:37:36,959
clients like artist William de kooning

934
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:40,740
and poet Alan Ginsburg Linda had a

935
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:45,240
little apartment in uh New York on

936
00:37:40,739 --> 00:37:48,059
Lexington and 83rd which was a cool

937
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,719
little residential area and

938
00:37:48,059 --> 00:37:50,820
um

939
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,078
she and I used to just walk around New

940
00:37:50,820 --> 00:37:55,859
York a lot

941
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:59,119
and I had like a big beard and um army

942
00:37:55,858 --> 00:38:02,940
surplus sort of old Vietnam thing with a

943
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:05,039
sergeant stripes and stuff so I kind of

944
00:38:02,940 --> 00:38:07,019
looked like the guy who's gonna mug you

945
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:10,559
so it didn't look like Beetle Paul at

946
00:38:07,019 --> 00:38:13,559
all and it was a lot of um material for

947
00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:16,799
music too I had a song called she came

948
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:18,179
in through the bathroom window and um I

949
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,500
needed a verse for that I was looking

950
00:38:18,179 --> 00:38:21,598
for verses when we were in the back of a

951
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:23,519
New York taxi cab and I just looked up

952
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:25,920
and they have those little signs that

953
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:28,199
tells you who the cab driver is and this

954
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:30,358
guy was called Eugene quits

955
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:33,179
so and then it sort of said some number

956
00:38:30,358 --> 00:38:34,739
it said New York police department and

957
00:38:33,179 --> 00:38:36,480
so I got and so I quit the police

958
00:38:34,739 --> 00:38:38,098
department you know it just was like

959
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,679
sitting there in front of me the other

960
00:38:38,099 --> 00:38:41,519
side of that experience was Linda's

961
00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:44,460
family

962
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:46,320
who um we'd sort of go and see like for

963
00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:49,079
dinner and stuff and her dad was very

964
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,519
well to do New York lawyer who had a

965
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:54,599
great art collection

966
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:56,579
in his apartment and he had up these

967
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:59,820
painters that I'd only just barely heard

968
00:38:56,579 --> 00:39:02,099
of or admired from afar nobody had him

969
00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:04,140
on his wall you know so you could be it

970
00:39:02,099 --> 00:39:05,460
was like being in a gallery really you

971
00:39:04,139 --> 00:39:07,139
just would be sitting by them and

972
00:39:05,460 --> 00:39:08,579
chatting and I'd be playing the piano or

973
00:39:07,139 --> 00:39:10,699
something and these things would all be

974
00:39:08,579 --> 00:39:10,700
around

975
00:39:11,579 --> 00:39:14,940
these new influences on Paul showed

976
00:39:13,739 --> 00:39:17,219
themselves in the artwork he

977
00:39:14,940 --> 00:39:19,559
masterminded for The White Album the cut

978
00:39:17,219 --> 00:39:21,419
up Montage of the poster contrasting

979
00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:23,759
with the minimalism of the sleeve itself

980
00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:25,320
it followed the trend he'd started with

981
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,359
the cover for revolver

982
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,460
Now The White Album became the first

983
00:39:27,358 --> 00:39:31,500
record on the Beatles own label apple

984
00:39:29,460 --> 00:39:33,179
and The Beautiful People of London made

985
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:36,179
their flower power way through Beatles

986
00:39:33,179 --> 00:39:37,259
George and John's with it Aladdin's cave

987
00:39:36,179 --> 00:39:39,838
one day

988
00:39:37,260 --> 00:39:41,880
my doorbell rang it is Paul standing on

989
00:39:39,838 --> 00:39:45,358
the doorstep so he says

990
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:48,180
got a name for the company you like this

991
00:39:45,358 --> 00:39:51,440
apple he said what's the first thing a

992
00:39:48,179 --> 00:39:51,440
child is taught at school

993
00:39:52,739 --> 00:39:56,819
he says A is for apple we are the

994
00:39:55,679 --> 00:39:58,699
beginning

995
00:39:56,820 --> 00:40:01,500
foreign

996
00:39:58,699 --> 00:40:03,838
was far more of a success Than People

997
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:06,000
allow it but the tales of excess and

998
00:40:03,838 --> 00:40:07,679
waste became true as the squabbling

999
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,139
between the group members and more

1000
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:12,598
specifically John and Paul became worse

1001
00:40:10,139 --> 00:40:14,879
when the company had started Paul

1002
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:17,039
traveled into the offices in sauro every

1003
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,900
day but with his wish to have his

1004
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:21,659
father-in-law John Eastman rather than

1005
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:23,700
Alan Klein running the show overruled he

1006
00:40:21,659 --> 00:40:25,019
retreated to the studio yeah I mean

1007
00:40:23,699 --> 00:40:26,879
you've got to be philosophical in life

1008
00:40:25,019 --> 00:40:29,338
you know you can let it call you but I

1009
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:32,400
try not to have too many regrets

1010
00:40:29,338 --> 00:40:34,980
um I can look back on it and say yeah

1011
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:37,139
um it would have been better I think

1012
00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:40,740
they were better managers than what we

1013
00:40:37,139 --> 00:40:42,179
ended up with and uh but the I

1014
00:40:40,739 --> 00:40:43,858
understand the worry of the other guys

1015
00:40:42,179 --> 00:40:45,779
it's my in-laws

1016
00:40:43,858 --> 00:40:47,279
you know you don't want to bring in your

1017
00:40:45,780 --> 00:40:48,720
in-laws because obviously they're going

1018
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,460
to favor me

1019
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,319
and I'm sure that's what everyone was

1020
00:40:50,460 --> 00:40:54,119
worried about so they just got knocked

1021
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,760
out of the ballpark first meeting really

1022
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:58,858
I kind of understood it have you known

1023
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,720
uh right from the beginning that you

1024
00:40:58,858 --> 00:41:02,940
didn't get on with Paul

1025
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,618
oh

1026
00:41:02,940 --> 00:41:06,539
I knew that he had a problem because of

1027
00:41:04,619 --> 00:41:08,099
his in-laws do you think uh is it the

1028
00:41:06,539 --> 00:41:09,300
personal thing I think or is it more a

1029
00:41:08,099 --> 00:41:12,599
business

1030
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:14,220
problem that he has with you

1031
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:15,900
I'm thinking Mr Eastman his

1032
00:41:14,219 --> 00:41:19,019
father-in-law well I think that it's a

1033
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:21,000
natural thing to probably uh you know

1034
00:41:19,019 --> 00:41:22,920
want your own family and I think that's

1035
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,159
a problem and that's his problem

1036
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,838
do you like Paul I don't dislike him I

1037
00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:30,299
think it's very talented fella I like

1038
00:41:27,838 --> 00:41:31,559
him quite well well what was good was

1039
00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:34,619
because they were in the background on

1040
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:37,139
my side they did help us sort it they

1041
00:41:34,619 --> 00:41:39,660
did find the right lawyers to get the

1042
00:41:37,139 --> 00:41:41,219
company back and even though I had to do

1043
00:41:39,659 --> 00:41:42,480
it by suing the other Beatles which was

1044
00:41:41,219 --> 00:41:44,939
terrifying

1045
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,380
when we did get the company back I you

1046
00:41:44,940 --> 00:41:49,320
must understand I got it back for them

1047
00:41:46,380 --> 00:41:52,740
too didn't just come to me they got

1048
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,838
their quarters of it too and

1049
00:41:52,739 --> 00:41:55,979
it's a good job you know because none of

1050
00:41:54,838 --> 00:41:57,838
us would have anything

1051
00:41:55,980 --> 00:41:59,338
it would have just all fizzled away it

1052
00:41:57,838 --> 00:42:01,679
is true to say that Alan's arrival

1053
00:41:59,338 --> 00:42:02,699
certainly

1054
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:04,500
um

1055
00:42:02,699 --> 00:42:06,118
was the first step in the in the demise

1056
00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:07,500
of apple and in many respects of the

1057
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:08,760
routine of the relationship between John

1058
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:11,639
and Paul

1059
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,200
the famous rooftop concert at Apple was

1060
00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:15,719
designed as an attempt to get the

1061
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:17,578
Beatles together as a working band the

1062
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,500
film and recording sessions that went on

1063
00:42:17,579 --> 00:42:21,599
around the concert were anything but

1064
00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:23,300
they showed the backbiting and

1065
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:26,539
self-inflicted pain within the group

1066
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:28,920
morale was at an all-time low

1067
00:42:26,539 --> 00:42:30,300
McCartney named their last album after

1068
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,180
the place where he'd done his greatest

1069
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:35,519
work Abby Road he designed the sleeve

1070
00:42:33,179 --> 00:42:37,980
organized the photo session incredibly

1071
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:39,920
the photographer only took six Stills on

1072
00:42:37,980 --> 00:42:42,599
the zebra Crossing and one was perfect

1073
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:45,240
and he put together the concept of the

1074
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:47,280
record again it showed the Divergence in

1075
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,799
the group the first sign reflected

1076
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,720
Lennon's desire for single tracks the

1077
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:55,140
second side McCartney's aim of creating

1078
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:57,059
a longer work or medley sadly he wanted

1079
00:42:55,139 --> 00:42:59,519
the album to be called Everest towards

1080
00:42:57,059 --> 00:43:01,980
its completion but after the Abbey wrote

1081
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:04,318
photos no one could agree a date to take

1082
00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:07,440
some new pictures or agree to fly to the

1083
00:43:04,318 --> 00:43:09,719
Himalayas so the idea sunk although

1084
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,679
Lennon hated it the album Remains The

1085
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:15,239
Beatles biggest seller

1086
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:17,519
I just would have liked to see it go on

1087
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,559
just because we were good and I knew we

1088
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:21,960
could have done masses more but

1089
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:24,719
circumstances

1090
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:28,260
um meant that we couldn't just it was

1091
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:30,838
just timing again fate we and we got a

1092
00:43:28,260 --> 00:43:33,480
very big sense of the circle having been

1093
00:43:30,838 --> 00:43:36,900
completed so much so that we did our

1094
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:38,639
last photo session for the album

1095
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:40,980
um at the same place we've done our

1096
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:44,219
first album The End had come about

1097
00:43:40,980 --> 00:43:47,159
anyway within the group having done the

1098
00:43:44,219 --> 00:43:49,139
touring having done Sergeant Pepper and

1099
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:52,019
having made several more albums after

1100
00:43:49,139 --> 00:43:55,318
that the time had come that group was

1101
00:43:52,019 --> 00:43:57,780
bursting at the seams with Talent but it

1102
00:43:55,318 --> 00:43:59,818
could not be contained within the seams

1103
00:43:57,780 --> 00:44:02,220
of the group is the point it had to

1104
00:43:59,818 --> 00:44:04,858
burst out and go its separate ways and

1105
00:44:02,219 --> 00:44:07,259
the two major talents that then lived on

1106
00:44:04,858 --> 00:44:09,119
uh in their separate ways were

1107
00:44:07,260 --> 00:44:10,200
inevitably John Lennon and Paul

1108
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:12,480
McCartney

1109
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:14,639
I'm proud of what I did and I'm proud I

1110
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,260
know what I did and I really love it and

1111
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:18,118
I think a lot of people know it and

1112
00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:20,880
stuff and I think nowadays it is coming

1113
00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:22,858
round where I'm just sort of shutting up

1114
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,900
and trying not to like blow my own

1115
00:44:22,858 --> 00:44:27,000
trumpet too much and a few people are

1116
00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:29,039
saying well but you did that didn't you

1117
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,679
no no no no I'm saying well yeah I did

1118
00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:34,139
you know and so it it's going to come

1119
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:36,000
out anyway it can't be hidden you can't

1120
00:44:34,139 --> 00:44:36,659
suppress it

1121
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,639
um

1122
00:44:36,659 --> 00:44:39,960
so that's the way I'd rather have it

1123
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:41,940
because I don't want to be the guy who

1124
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,400
down John in public because I would

1125
00:44:41,940 --> 00:44:46,139
never do that he's too great John's

1126
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,880
still my greatest hero

1127
00:44:46,139 --> 00:44:50,519
no doubt about it I think he always will

1128
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:53,220
be well I'm sure Paul does Miss John

1129
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:56,400
because they did their partnership is a

1130
00:44:53,219 --> 00:44:59,578
strange one because it was built on love

1131
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:01,318
but it was also built on rivalry and

1132
00:44:59,579 --> 00:45:02,460
since John's death

1133
00:45:01,318 --> 00:45:04,380
um

1134
00:45:02,460 --> 00:45:06,720
Paul has collaborated with different

1135
00:45:04,380 --> 00:45:10,318
people but it's never been quite the

1136
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:13,019
same I think the changing of the image

1137
00:45:10,318 --> 00:45:15,539
of Paul McCartney began with the death

1138
00:45:13,019 --> 00:45:17,219
of John and with all those books which

1139
00:45:15,539 --> 00:45:19,619
followed and the major naturally

1140
00:45:17,219 --> 00:45:21,539
followed along with this and thought Oh

1141
00:45:19,619 --> 00:45:24,059
Paul McCartney was this sort of really

1142
00:45:21,539 --> 00:45:25,858
softish guy who was there the nice nice

1143
00:45:24,059 --> 00:45:28,259
guy behind the scenes but John Lennon

1144
00:45:25,858 --> 00:45:30,900
was the aggressive Reynold Rebel he was

1145
00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:32,940
the innovator where his actual poll was

1146
00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:34,559
the innovator of The Beatles I think

1147
00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:36,119
people do it for the right motives

1148
00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:38,400
because they're all just so sad he died

1149
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:41,640
you know and you want to give him more

1150
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,858
and giving more than he was perhaps you

1151
00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:45,598
know but he himself I heard him on a

1152
00:45:43,858 --> 00:45:47,699
radio actually played on the day he died

1153
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:49,260
we said I don't want to be a martyr last

1154
00:45:47,699 --> 00:45:52,439
thing I was probably to do with the bed

1155
00:45:49,260 --> 00:45:53,880
and stuff but he did become that and

1156
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,480
yeah there was a big period of

1157
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,480
revisionism

1158
00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:04,619
[Music]

1159
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:06,598
on December 31st 1970 the 60s came to an

1160
00:46:04,619 --> 00:46:08,400
end when Paul McCartney sued for the

1161
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:11,160
appointment of a receiver for the

1162
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,420
Beatles interests and the fam 4 were no

1163
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:15,659
longer

1164
00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:17,338
oh yeah it really heard it was one of

1165
00:46:15,659 --> 00:46:18,480
the biggest hurts in my life you know it

1166
00:46:17,338 --> 00:46:20,578
was uh

1167
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,380
I was very keen I was very keen on the

1168
00:46:20,579 --> 00:46:24,300
Beatles I didn't see why it shouldn't

1169
00:46:22,380 --> 00:46:26,460
carry on

1170
00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:28,980
um Joan I think could mainly had become

1171
00:46:26,460 --> 00:46:33,539
fed up with it really he just wanted to

1172
00:46:28,980 --> 00:46:35,519
do something else he'd met yoga and um

1173
00:46:33,539 --> 00:46:37,920
I don't think he wanted to play with his

1174
00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:40,800
little play friends anymore you know I

1175
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,900
did you know so when when it was all

1176
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:46,859
dashed with the whole breaking up of

1177
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:49,260
Apple it really hit me hard you know

1178
00:46:46,858 --> 00:46:52,739
um on a number of fronts you your mates

1179
00:46:49,260 --> 00:46:54,599
you'd been all that time with suddenly

1180
00:46:52,739 --> 00:46:56,219
you weren't mates anymore that's bad

1181
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:58,920
enough

1182
00:46:56,219 --> 00:47:01,858
um this great company that had been such

1183
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:04,980
a great idealistic dream

1184
00:47:01,858 --> 00:47:09,838
wasn't it was now a nightmare

1185
00:47:04,980 --> 00:47:12,119
um did that hit hard and um then what

1186
00:47:09,838 --> 00:47:14,578
are you going to do now was the the big

1187
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:17,160
question I ended up

1188
00:47:14,579 --> 00:47:20,220
going off with Linda and the kids up to

1189
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:22,980
Scotland and just living in a cloud and

1190
00:47:20,219 --> 00:47:23,939
the Mist rolling in from the sea and

1191
00:47:22,980 --> 00:47:25,800
just

1192
00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:27,900
trying to figure out what I could do you

1193
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,660
know but it wasn't clear for a good few

1194
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:32,519
months

1195
00:47:29,659 --> 00:47:34,799
since the Beatles Paul's achievements

1196
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:37,019
have been immense he's written Classics

1197
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,480
such as Maybe I'm Amazed and my love

1198
00:47:37,019 --> 00:47:41,039
he's the only one of the Fab Four to get

1199
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,199
anywhere near the cells of the Beatles

1200
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:46,079
with another group with the global

1201
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:48,598
success of wings he's embraced styles of

1202
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:51,180
music from trance to disco via reggae

1203
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:53,400
and classical and even now 40 years on

1204
00:47:51,179 --> 00:47:55,379
he's still in the studio making albums

1205
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,059
and continuing to add to that amazing

1206
00:47:55,380 --> 00:47:58,980
song catalog

1207
00:47:57,059 --> 00:48:00,739
but of course no one could ever have

1208
00:47:58,980 --> 00:48:03,358
replicated the peak hit by The Beatles

1209
00:48:00,739 --> 00:48:06,000
there could never be another revolver

1210
00:48:03,358 --> 00:48:08,338
White Album Sergeant Pepper for any

1211
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,500
artist let alone the man who created

1212
00:48:08,338 --> 00:48:12,659
them the first time around

1213
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:14,338
time has also shown him to be the winner

1214
00:48:12,659 --> 00:48:17,338
when it comes to business

1215
00:48:14,338 --> 00:48:18,779
concept for Apple although flawed seemed

1216
00:48:17,338 --> 00:48:21,119
to work when he made the journey in

1217
00:48:18,780 --> 00:48:23,519
every day to Savile Row when he stopped

1218
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:25,858
the cocktail party raced on a baited

1219
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:28,679
without her hand on the rudder

1220
00:48:25,858 --> 00:48:31,380
now his own company MPL is one of the

1221
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:33,299
world's most successful music publishers

1222
00:48:31,380 --> 00:48:35,880
he was also shown to be right over the

1223
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:38,099
Beatles song catalog those numbers were

1224
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,680
lost to their composers forever when the

1225
00:48:38,099 --> 00:48:42,599
other Beatles voted against him

1226
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:44,879
that hasn't stopped the power of the

1227
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:46,980
music they created together

1228
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,400
Paul has also left another Legacy for

1229
00:48:46,980 --> 00:48:51,179
the future as well as his music

1230
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,220
single-handedly he's formed the

1231
00:48:51,179 --> 00:48:56,159
Liverpool Institute of Performing Arts

1232
00:48:53,219 --> 00:48:58,919
the much publicized Fame School

1233
00:48:56,159 --> 00:49:00,598
great feelings now is how proud of all

1234
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,940
that will be

1235
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:04,680
if they could have been here

1236
00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:06,559
but we'll get into that he'll stop

1237
00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:10,980
crying

1238
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:13,920
but he has it and even though his

1239
00:49:10,980 --> 00:49:16,280
Peterson's on those nights we can work

1240
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,280
it out

1241
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:21,358
[Applause]

1242
00:49:18,260 --> 00:49:23,940
however despite all it is achieved since

1243
00:49:21,358 --> 00:49:25,980
1970 it is the Beatles that have sent

1244
00:49:23,940 --> 00:49:27,720
the yardstick for his life's work

1245
00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:29,519
and although all the Beatles have

1246
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:32,399
collaborated with one another since the

1247
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:36,259
fam 4 split the only ones who never got

1248
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,260
back are John and Paul

1249
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:40,200
without John it's different you know

1250
00:49:38,940 --> 00:49:41,940
people say why don't you reform The

1251
00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:43,379
Beatles And we always just say well

1252
00:49:41,940 --> 00:49:44,880
there's one of us missing you know

1253
00:49:43,380 --> 00:49:47,220
that's that's based this basic problem

1254
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:49,940
but while John was around yeah I would

1255
00:49:47,219 --> 00:49:52,858
have always ideally liked it to happen

1256
00:49:49,940 --> 00:49:54,420
but you know those people you get moody

1257
00:49:52,858 --> 00:49:56,059
with each other you argue when you're

1258
00:49:54,420 --> 00:49:58,980
arguing you know it's like

1259
00:49:56,059 --> 00:50:01,259
Sergio will Serge you you know you can't

1260
00:49:58,980 --> 00:50:03,440
help that it's four guys you know

1261
00:50:01,260 --> 00:50:03,440
foreign

1262
00:50:06,260 --> 00:50:12,599
the value is we've left a good Legacy of

1263
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:14,460
sort of answers to

1264
00:50:12,599 --> 00:50:16,440
Eternal questions that are always going

1265
00:50:14,460 --> 00:50:18,480
to be asked I think that's one of the

1266
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,579
reasons it lasts there's kids coming up

1267
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:23,159
now and the guys just got a new

1268
00:50:20,579 --> 00:50:25,619
girlfriend and they're wondering again

1269
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:28,139
like we wondered what do you do what's

1270
00:50:25,619 --> 00:50:31,318
it all about and this they hear the

1271
00:50:28,139 --> 00:50:33,539
songs that go that's not bad that is the

1272
00:50:31,318 --> 00:50:36,139
funny thing about Fame you know you do

1273
00:50:33,539 --> 00:50:40,019
just to look in the mirror

1274
00:50:36,139 --> 00:50:41,118
I in this shell I'm that guy I've read

1275
00:50:40,019 --> 00:50:43,800
so much about

1276
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:45,440
but I try and it's I don't know if it's

1277
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:49,140
a schizo thing but I try and

1278
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:51,420
disassociate myself from him a bit I try

1279
00:50:49,139 --> 00:50:53,338
and be the kid I was when I was five

1280
00:50:51,420 --> 00:50:56,220
grown up

1281
00:50:53,338 --> 00:50:58,739
um so I'm like a father I'm like just

1282
00:50:56,219 --> 00:51:01,500
some guy who gets in a car and goes

1283
00:50:58,739 --> 00:51:03,358
places and does interviews and works and

1284
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:05,940
then Paul McCartney is the sort of

1285
00:51:03,358 --> 00:51:07,078
successful bit of it all that I'm very

1286
00:51:05,940 --> 00:51:10,679
proud of

1287
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:13,880
but I don't imagine I'm him because

1288
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:13,879
it'll just blow my head off

1289
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,239
foreign

1290
00:51:48,929 --> 00:51:58,169
[Music]